2013 Cadillac ATS to Get 270-hp Four-Cylinder

2.0 L turbocharged four-cylinder engine

When Cadillac's ATS debuts at next month's North America International Auto Show in Detroit, GM will offer a turbocharged four-cylinder as the midlevel engine for its new sport sedan. Cadillac officials revealed the new 2.0-liter turbo in Detroit, saying that 90% of the engine is new. Drivers can expect about 270 horsepower and 260 pounds-feet of torque, thanks to a single twin-scroll turbo that feeds 20 pounds of boost.

The Buick Regal GS also has a 270-hp, turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder, but Cadillac officials insist it's a different engine. (It makes 35 pounds-feet more torque.) The rear-wheel-drive ATS, a new sedan that slots under the CTS in Cadillac's lineup, has little in common with the front-wheel-drive Buick. Besides the turbo, the Caddy will also have direct-injected 2.5-liter four-cylinder and a 3.6-liter V-6 engines. We like GM's venerable direct-injection V-6, and a Cadillac official confirmed the 2.5-liter is the same four-cylinder from the 2013 Chevrolet Malibu. You can expect similar numbers - around 190 hp for the four-cylinder and somewhere north of 300 hp for the V-6.

Transmissions are still under wraps, but Cadillac says the 2.0-liter turbo will come with a manual or an automatic transmission. We'll have more details when the ATS breaks cover at next month's Detroit auto show. Stay tuned.

Comments 

Mike

Hell, my 2001 Audi A4 already makes 190 hp. Cadillac is once again late to the game. GM just shops around for car parts from other makes in an attempt to seem competative. They never have anything innovative, it's just another attempt that always makes Cadillac look like a cheap knock off from more serious sports sedans. Cadillac is always 5 years behind in design that they rip off from Infinti and execute it badly. Cadillac just doesn't have the prestige, sportiness, or quality to be in the luxury segment.

Zerf

Yeah you are so right Mike. Magnetic Ride Control, everyone had that long before. 4-6-8/displacement on demand, they were late to that game with that. Night vision, yep late with that too. Heads up display, there's another one. Buick's HiPer strut, everyone uses that design.

Jay

Interesting comment...It took Audi's parent VW almost a decade to revamp them into a "competitive" luxury brand. Last I checked Audi A4 shares a lot of VW Passat and doesn't even offer a true RWD vehicle. This is all to say celebrate they are trying to be competitive against the best out there vs. Ford's Lincoln brand.

Allistar Evans

As revolutionary these engines maybe, theres no denying the natural capabilties of higher displacement. naturally aspired engines. Personally, i would always choose the bigger v8 over a turbo chraged, direct injected 4 cylinder. More cylinders means less work and strenous wear and tear. Next, the expensive parts associated with forced pressurized air or turbo through an engine can be costly. It really just makes sense to stick with a 500 v8 cubic inch cadillac engine. If you look at the peak curves for power, you'll notice that there is an extreme tapering of power much like an apex in a play. Theres a hude drop in power with turbos past a certain rpm. That isnt there for the bigger v8s. V8s tend to have smooth power curves. Even if the lighter engine took off quicker, the bigger engine will catch up in the end.

Case in point, choose the bigger v8 or a wimpy turbocharged four cylinder.
There is no significant advantage in fuel economy, and the performance drag is evident in non naturally aspired vehicles.

sheth

Mike:

Let us know when Audi starts using aluminum blocks. You cant talk about Cadillac being behind when Audi is still using a 211hp iron block four cylinder as its main engine. In case you missed the point of the post this car has 270hp from its turbo. The 2.5L will be offered but we dont know output and we dont even know it it will be available in the US. In Europe weak engines in luxury cars are common. Just for reference, the C250 has only 201hp and the IS250 has 204hp- but Im sure you wouldnt accuse them of being behind the times.

Mike

Airbags, ABS, Xenons, Curtain airbags, Skid control, park assist, lane departure....none were Cadillac innovations. Do a little more reserch. Quattro is a better drivetrain, so putting in a TRUE RWD would be a discredit to the vehicle. Cadillacs are so bad that GM has to build them off their European platforms.

Mike

Well since you are bent on materials, the BMW 3 Series uses an aluminum block and when this ATS comes out, a new 3 will be on the roads and Cadillac will once again have to go back to the drawing board. I won't get into the twin turbo on the 3 becuase I'm sure you already know about that. Cadillac will always be in a catch up to more series rivals from BMW Benz, Infiniti, Audi, etc. They are irrelevent in today's market. And in case you forgot, VW makes engines for Bentley, so they probably know what they are doing, not a company who "engineered" masterpieces like the Lumina and Aveo.

sheth

1. Engines for Bentleys have nothing to do with the iron block i4 that Audi has been using for the last 5-6 years or so.
2. Cadillac was the 2nd to use ESC and the first to use it on vehicles below the level of the S class back in the 90s.
3. Cadillac debuted night vision, adaptive seats, continuously variable shocks, MR control, Performance Algorithm shifting that could hold gears in corners, LED tail lights, LED headlights and other things that were introduced many decades ago.
4. The new 3 series has a 2L turbo that makes 240hp- 30 less than the ATS. Cadillac will not be playing catch up to the 2013 3 series.
5. Cadillac only relied on Europe for ONE model- the Catera and thats been gone for 8 years. The CTS and ATS and SRX are built on US developed platforms. That's a fact. The V series cars were developed totally in the US.
6. Airbags were invented by GM in the 1970s, get your facts straight.

sheth

PS;

For the record Cadillac (with only 3 relevant vehicles) outsells Lincoln, Audi, Acura and Infiniti. Next year I look for them to move up a spot or two in the rankings with a full lineup of vehicles. Also, the "irrelevant" CTS has been named MTCOY, 10BEST 4 times, Automobile All star, etc. CTS-V also beat the M5 and XFR and M3 in various comparisons.

Mike

You are wrong with your rankings. Cadillac consistantly sells at a lower volume. The 90s are over, wake up.Also, LEGIT auto mags rate the cts in the lower spots. Stop drinking the koolaid and leave these to the blue hairs

Mike

Sheth:
Given GMs track record for holding true to their word, we should wait to even see if the hp ratings can hold up, because after all, we all know GM vehicles always get lower than advertised mpgs. Theres the "GM" world, then there's reality.

sheth

At this stage I can only presume you arent being serious. NO real car guy would be that ignorant. You consider MT and C&D to be less than legit auto magaizines? Really? They are the top two auto publications. And sales volumes can be confirmed by a quick internet search. Cadillac is #4 in sales behind MB, Lexus and BMW this year. And thats with 2 lame duck models that went out of production in June.

Mike

Yes those mags are legit and the do their jobs by ranking the cts lower

Bowrider

I wonder how many times Mike's Audi has been in the shop with expensive electrical repairs.

Mike

Less times than a Cadillac that won't start

hershalk

Could somebody help explain something to a dummy? How is it possible to use the same engine in a front and wheel wheel drive car? Aren't they fundamentally different in design in terms of layout and how they connect to the transmission and other ways I am not even aware of?

sheth

You turn the engine 90 degrees. A fwd car will use this engine mounted transversely while it will be longitudinal in the ats. In a rwd car the transmission is directly behind the engine while its kind of off to the side in a fwd car with transverse mounted engine.

Mike:

Car and driver has had cts on 10best 4 straight years. If they are legit than so is the cts. Sorry to disappoint.

Parrots

Mike:
Can't you just accept the truth? Cadillac had improved. However Cadillac is still a little behind in terms of refinement. I'm sure they'll get that fixed soon though.

Belly

As usual, Shet tries to make fun of someone without actually making any sense whatsoever:

You consider MT and C&D to be less than legit auto magaizines? Really? They are the top two auto publications.
-CTS ranked 5th out of 8 by M&T standards in 2010.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1002_luxury_sport_sedan_comparison/viewall.html

C&D ranked it 3rd out of 4 in 2008.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2007-bmw-328i-vs-2008-cadillac-cts-di-2008-m-b-c300-sport-2008-infiniti-g35-sport-comparison-tests

But what do you know, guess who ranked it #1 out of 5 in 2010 - Consumer Reports. But Shet says they are completely biased.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/01/05/cadillac-cts-wins-i-consumer-reports-i-luxury-sedan-comparo/


And sales volumes can be confirmed by a quick internet search. Cadillac is #4 in sales behind MB, Lexus and BMW this year. And thats with 2 lame duck models that went out of production in June.
-How is that it that its good for Cadillac to have two "lame duck" models (whatever that means)?

And not that Shet has ever bothered to show data to actually support an idea but here are sales for luxury cars so far in 2011:

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/search/label/Entry%20Luxury%20Car%20Sales?max-results=5

CTS is number 4 in entry level luxury cars. So what does that mean? Toyota Camry, Toyota Corolla, Honda Accord, Honda Civic, Nissan Altima, and lots of others want to know...

Cadillac officials revealed the new 2.0-liter turbo in Detroit, saying that 90% of the engine is new==> is this confirmed?...cool then, i'd like to get some turbo powered engine for my new car, finally http://www.mariohascars.com/

sheth

Belly:

In case you missed it, nothing you said contradicted anything I said.

1. MT named CTS car of the year in 2008
2. CTS/CTS-V has been on 10BEST for 4 straight years.
3. C&D ranked CTS over XFR but under E63
4. IL ranked CTSV over M5 and M3
5. MT ranked CTS-V over M5 and XFR.
6. I was pointing out that Cadillac outsold Acura, Infinit and Audi in spite of essentially only having two high volume models to sell SRX and CTS. Next year they will have 5 vehicles to sell and their sales figures will increase dramatically. The STS and DTS were dated and sales were dwindling for the STS for years. That was what I meant.
7. even you are smart enough to know entry level lux sedans cost far more than mainstream FWD sedans and thus sell in far smaller numbers. The CTS doesnt compete with Camry and Accord- of course they sell in much higher numbers. In other news the Civic outsells the S class.

George

Disappointing that GM didn't decide to lead, instead of follow.
Audi goes only 4 cylinder in the A4 [and their decision to remain iron is acceptable because of the smaller bore/bore centers, and bore spacing], so GM should have gone only V6s on the ATS. 250hp 2.8, 350hp 3.8 [larger bore version of 3.6], 450hp 3.0 twin turbo.

and just because GM has to develop something new, doesn't make it better, or even innovative.
GM needed a way to let old people to continue to drive, ala 'night vision'
GM doesn't want to spend the money for Bilstein struts/shocks, they get Delphi to develop MHR dampers
GM doesn't want to implement a control arm front suspension, so they make 'hiPer strut'

sheth

George:

Pure ignorance plaina and simple. You're in over your head for sure. Night vision is now used by BMW and other manufacturers. When Cadillac pioneered it the auto media called it a gimmick. Gm aslo had adaptive seats that automatically adjusted to improve comfort- now some other luxury brands have similar seats. hi per strut is an improvement over strut suspension to qwell torque steer and help handling. Ford has a similar system called RevoKnuckle but its only on a European Focus. Lots of cars dont have control arm front suspensions- BMW just switched the 5 series to control arms for this current generation. Porsches also use struts.

Offering only V6s in this segment is silly. And Audi using an iron block makes no more sense than cadillac or anyone else using one in a luxury car. The relative size and weight of any given 2L engine will be similar so the bore spacing of the Audi is irrelevant. Iron weighs more, period.

Jay

...and just because Audi has Quattro AWD, BMW has twin-turbo engines, Mercedes Sensotronic electric brakes (this feature is being dropped beacuse it doesn't work properly), and Lexus Parking Assist doesn't make them any better than Cadillac. 90% of the time you won't even be able to take advantage of these systems unless you push the car to its limits. They come up with most of these systems just to say we have something no one else does. Maybe GM is just keeping it simple with Cadiilac and I think they're doing a fine job...

Mike

So if GM can actually hold their promise, deliver, and the cars hold up over time, maybe I'll change my mind. But given GMs track record, it's like trusting a politician to act in your best interests. For the same $$$, it's better to go with more established marques that will hold true to their promises and resale value (Which Cadillac consistantly ranks as the worst) Show me a 4-5 year old Cadillac that isn't ragged out and on a buy here-pay here lot for a $3500 down special.

sheth

Mike:

Use this site called cars.com to see what used CTS' go for. In my area a well equipped 2008 CTS is between $28k-$33k. Considering the car is 4 years old that is respectable value. On to[p of that half of german luxury cars are leased which means people don't own them past the warranty period, don't tell me German car buyers know anything about longevity in terms of cars. HOw can you infer that German cars are a better bet in terms of durability when nearly half of their customers will only commit for 36 months?

George

Sheth: GM's night vision was a passive system, introduced when the Deville had HB4/HB3 headlights, which were junk in comparison to real headlights.
BMW uses a different IR wavelength, and MB uses an active night vision system.
HiPer strut does not address the limited camber curve of a front strut suspension. Honda/Acura has been using control arms for a long time, which are superior to HiPer strut (or Ford's RevoKnuckle)
If you don't know the difference between a front wheel drive car that uses struts, and a rear wheel drive car that uses struts, nothing will help you. Aluminum has a higher strength to weight, iron/steel has a higher strength to volume. So if you only have 5.5mm between cylinders on a turbocharged engine (and only 4mm in the old M3 inline 6), that isn't going to be heavier than an aluminum engine that has 10 between cylinders.
Stop being so obsequious to the marketing department.

Belly

The typical runaround from the Shet...

I was pointing out that Cadillac outsold Acura, Infinit and Audi in spite of essentially only having two high volume models to sell SRX and CTS.
-The volume of sales are defined by consumers (or customers) desire to own the car. Too bad people don't want Cadillac's "low volume" cars.

This is particularly interesting when comparing a company that has been around since the early 1900's to companies like Infiniti that has only been in the US since around the 90's and Acura that has been in the US since the mid 80's (70's for Audi). You'd think a company that's been around as long as Cadillac would know what consumers want.

And if we are talking about volume sellers why do you mention the CTS-V? That has anything to do with the volume selling CTS? The CTS-V is on the 10Best list for 2011 and 2012, not the standard CTS. Big shocker you didn't mention that.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10best-2011-10best-cars-feature

http://www.caranddriver.com/features/2012-10best-cars-feature

Next year they will have 5 vehicles to sell and their sales figures will increase dramatically.
-I would love it if there were some way to hold you to these types of statements. What does "increase dramatically" mean? I'm sure "increase dramatically" = any increase in sales Cadillac sees no matter how small by any objective measure.

even you are smart enough to know entry level lux sedans cost far more than mainstream FWD sedans and thus sell in far smaller numbers.
-Yes Shet, but how smart are you? You used harass all of the other posters here when they would say a Camry or Accord is clearly a good car based on sales numbers. But now you tout the CTS is a good car based on its sales numbers. Clearly contradictory.

In others news, the CTS (not CTS-V) has never been as high as the top 2 (unless it was out of 2) in any test carried out by Motor Trend or Car and Driver.

Personally, I think the current model CTS is a good looking vehicle and that it offers a manual is great. I also think the coupe just looks great. But if you are going to try and challenge somebody you need to have your Shet straight beforehand.

sheth

george:

1. Cadillacs night vision was out 11 years ago. I would expect the modern versions to be more advanced. It was still first and you are still dead wrong. The presence of the night vision system had nothing to do with the headlights on the DTS. Whatever the faults of the gen 1 night vision it was more advanced that anything offered by the competition. And you didnt address the other things I said so I take it you concede I was right.
2. Most FWD cars don;t use control arm front suspension. That includes most imports and most luxury cars that are FWD. Do not act like Cadillac is the only luxury make using struts. While it is true that FWD cars have more duties placed on the front wheels many consider control arms superior on all cars, even RWD cars. BMW has used struts almost exclusively until recently. Honda is one of the few mass market automakers that uses control arms on most of their front suspensions.
3. An iron block is always heavier unless you have an engine so small that it requires iron sleeves to reinforce the cylinders. This is why the Cruze has an iron block, an alum block with the sleeves would weigh just as much. Competing 2L turbo engines make do with alum blocks and Audi can as well. There is a reason everyone but Audi is using alum blocks on their turbo fours. They dont want to invest in a new block because they have been using the cost effective iron block for so long. Stop making excuses and always remember that closed minded fanboys don't deal in facts. Dont try to justify your biases.
4. I forgot to mention CAdillac also was the first with a mass market V8 hitting 300hp. When the northstar hit 300hp MB was at 275hp and BMW was at 282.

sheth

Belly:

1. The STS faded in sales once the 2008 CTS came out for obvious reasons. The DTS actually sold pretty well up until the end. My point was that Cadillac only has 3 models for sale. Even you arent dumb enough to argue against that fact. Finishing #4 in sales with only 3 models for the last half of the year isnt too bad. Imagine how they will do next year. As a person obsessed with hating me and GM Im sure you'll blow a gasket.
2.You and others are saying CAdillac is irrelevant. The CTS-V is a Cadillac product. That is why I mentioned it.
3. Cadillac's sales should increase dramatically because they are adding two sorely needed models. It would be hard for their sales not to increase next year. Again, even you should be smart enough to recognize that. Just because you hate GM doesnt mean that Cadillac's new models wont do well in 2012. The ATS in particular is heavily anticipated. Of course when that happens you will be here to make excuses and talk about the Cimarron and to remind us that Cadillacs 2012 sales shouldnt be considered impressive because the brand has been around for 100 years and other such nonsense.
4.I dont contradict myself "belly". What Im saying is typically over your head and you are so obsessed with me that you try to create controversy where non exists. Sales dont prove Camry is the BEST car on the market but its sales do suggest its a good car. Sales dont PROVE superiority but they are a sign of competence. I brought up CTS sales because you and others are saying Cadillac is a joke and no one is interested in their products. I never said the CTS was the 4th best luxury car simply because it ranks 4th in sales.
5. For your information I said CTS was MTCOTY and you cannot dispute that. I never said it wont a comparison test in base form. MT didnt even do any comparos with the base CTS until 2-3 years after it came out. When the car was NEW it was deemed car of the year based on how it stacked up to its class competition. Dont like it? Take it up with motortrend. C&D has never compared the CTS automatic, CTS coupe (aside from V model) or CTS wagon in ANY comparisons. They ranked the V coupe and sedan 2nd out of 3 cars in comparos. Im not sure if IL or R&T have ever put the regular CTS in any comparisons. I am talking about the V because its been in the most comparos and because its done well in them. All of which makes your assertions that Cadillac is an also ran brand seem stupid. The CTSV is part of CAdillac, like it or not.

Belly

My point was that Cadillac only has 3 models for sale. Even you arent dumb enough to argue against that fact.
-You are so stupid Shet. Look at Cadillac's website and tell me how many models they have for sale. Its more than 3 you fool.

I dont contradict myself "belly".
-You do it all the time Shet. Its your routine to apply a double standard to everything Honda or Toyota on this site.

Cadillacs 2012 sales shouldnt be considered impressive because the brand has been around for 100 years and other such nonsense.
-Cadillac being around for 100 years is nonsense? Tell that to your boss Shet.

Dont like it? Take it up with motortrend.
-I have no problem with motortrend. You shouldn't misrepresent what they say.

C&D has never compared the CTS automatic, CTS coupe (aside from V model) or CTS wagon in ANY comparisons.
-Uhm yeah, they have:

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2005-acura-tl-vs-2005-audi-a4-2006-bmw-330i-and-five-more-entry-luxury-sedans-comparison-tests


All of which makes your assertions that Cadillac is an also ran brand seem stupid.
-Tell me where I said this. Everything you have said from Cadillac only selling 3 models to CTS-V selling as if it were a regular CTS IS stupid. Like I said, get your Shet straight before you try and challenge anyone.

sheth

belly:

Calling me a fool doesnt change the fact. There are only three distinct models for sale by cadillac now- SRX, CTS and Escalade. There may be a handful of DTS or STS models scattered around the country but both models ended production months ago. For 2012 you can chose from the 3 model lines I mentioned. I dont count each CTS as a totally different model. In the sales report CTS is listed as ONE model as is Escalade.

Feel free to find a quote that proves your claims of contradiction on my part. Never in my life have I said the camry or accord are bad cars. Never. Case closed. Find some proof or shut up.

I misrepresented that the CTS was COTY in 2008? Really? Then tell me which car MT gave the award to that year. Just for reference, when MT gives that award to a car that means they REALLY like the car.

When talking about the CTS I was talking about the current model. I believe they did one comparo with a regular CTS with a manual back in 2007 or 2008. It finished 3rd of 4 cars.

Dude, I never said the CTS V sold as well as the regular model. I said the CTSV IS A CADILLAC SO YOU CANNOT EXCLUDE THE V WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE INCOMPETENCE OF CADILLAC. Dont know how to make it any clearer. Your assertion that the V shouldnt be discussed because its the highest level of CTS is moronic. Thats like saying the M3 doesnt count as a 3 series simply because its not the volume model. The CTS lineup as a whole has sold well and has been given numerous awards. Accept it and move on. If you're mad now you will only get more angry in 2012.

Belly

There may be a handful of DTS or STS models scattered around the country but both models ended production months ago. For 2012 you can chose from the 3 model lines I mentioned.
-Typical Shet here. Calling it a "fact" and then changing his mind about what he is saying. On sale for Cadillac according to the website:

http://www.cadillac.com/vehicle-lineup.html

5 models for sale. But now "sale" means in production. Shocker Shet.

Never in my life have I said the camry or accord are bad cars. Never. Case closed. Find some proof or shut up.
-Who is getting mad here... and some proof? How about every time you post here. How about calling Cars.com biased every time they rate any Honda or Toyota above any GM or Chrysler. Are you going to change what you mean by "proof" now? You act like nobody has ever seen your fake GM corporate promotion scheme on here.

Just for reference, when MT gives that award to a car that means they REALLY like the car.
-Here is how Motortrend picks car of the year:

In recent years, each contender is ranked in the following three areas: superiority, significance, and value. It is not a comparison test.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend_Car_of_the_Year

Previous winners include the 1993 Ford Probe Gt, 1994 Mustang Gt, and 2002 Ford Thunderbird. Real winners there. MT car of the year award is more than a prediction than anything else. Again, shocker that you try and misrepresent this as showing it is ranked higher than every other car out there. Motortrend doesn't do a comparison on the car of the year.

CTSV IS A CADILLAC SO YOU CANNOT EXCLUDE THE V WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE INCOMPETENCE OF CADILLAC.
-Well you got one thing right, Cadillac does have a problem with incompetence. But so does GM overall.

Thats like saying the M3 doesnt count as a 3 series simply because its not the volume model.
-Hah, Shet you are so stupid. You can't tell the difference between a comparison with a base model and a comparison with a limited trim that is so completely different from the base. Or is just more of your misrepresentation... no kidding.

Am I mad? Please Shet. You couldn't upset me if you tried. But exposing you for the fraud that you are is just fun. And easy.

Belly

And dude (how lame are you?), here is hoping Cadillac improves in 2012. I would love to see them as the number one selling luxury brand in America. But they have to have the best product to do it. Again, here's hoping they do.

sheth

"-Typical Shet here. Calling it a "fact" and then changing his mind about what he is saying. On sale for Cadillac according to the website:"

How dumb are you? There are only 3 models for sale for 2012. The website tells you that the DTS and STS are 2011 models an dI dont even know why they are still on the site. They are CANCELLED. They are no longer produced and haven't been for at least 5-6 months. Please tell me where you have seen proof of 2012 models for those two cars. GM releases production figures along with sales figures each month- you can check the charts yourself. They havent been made since summer.

I know how MT awards COTY, Ive been reading it for 22 years. They award the car that is the most impressive within its given class. The CTS won the award. Mentioning cars that didnt sell well that were given the award changes nothing. MT still gave the CTS the award and they are hardly the only publication that has praised the car. I know that makes you upset, but facts are facts. I never said COTY is a direct comparison of the cars involved.

The CTS V is a CTS with a bigger engine, larger brakes and MR shocks. Thats it in a nutshell. The auto media loves the 3 series but the M3 is the best 3 series. The auto media generally loves the CTS but they prefer the CTS-V. Only a complete idiot would try to pretend that the CTS and CTS-V are two totally different cars that have nothing in common. The V is an improvement over a very good car. As noted, when it was awarded COTY and 10BEST for the first two years the STANDARD CTS was the car being considered.

Belly

Here it is ladies and gentlemen the fraud that is shet.

I told you shet would change his mind about what on sale means. Nothing new there.

Mentioning cars that didnt sell well that were given the award changes nothing.
-Right. Because Car of the Year really means its the best out there huh?

I know that makes you upset, but facts are facts.
-Shet why do you cry so much?

when it was awarded COTY and 10BEST for the first two years the STANDARD CTS was the car being considered.
-Was it the only version of the car being considered... not in 2009. And what happened after the first two years? Only a fraud won't answer that question.

Only a complete idiot would try to pretend that the CTS and CTS-V are two totally different cars that have nothing in common.
-So good of you to clear that up. Now lets try and figure ever even implied such a thing... yeah, no one. But really only a complete fraud would come on here and try and tout the CTS-V in comparisons as if it were the regular model CTS. But we all know who fills that bill.

BillB

I think Cadillac engine is great bt I wonder why is only oferring 90% of torque (260 Lbs) at 1500 RMP.

BMW offer in 2L Turbo max torque at 1250 LBS and is alow pressure turbo that can be easily upgraded to over 300HP with kits from Europe or NA.

That could mean lower 0-60 time.

I mean no disrespect to Cadilac but their engines are known for oil leaks...

Just a thought.

Amber

All interesting remarks, but I think you've missed one key point. I want a smooth ride. Audi does not offer that, but Cadillac does. With all the potholes and cracks all over our CA highways, I am all about a smooth riding vehicle. Audi looks great and nice race car feel, but Caddy offers the luxury of feeling like you are riding in your living room.

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