VW Goes Diesel Happy: Jetta TDI Coming in '08

Jettatdi

One of the surprising things about this job is hearing about cars people love with a passion you wouldn’t necessarily anticipate. Possibly the top car on that list is the Jetta TDI -- or any diesel VW, for that matter. Readers have commented that they go to extreme lengths to keep these machines running, even after they would have otherwise traded it in, simply because there is no new replacement.

Come the spring of 2008, there will be. Volkswagen is bringing its new clean-diesel 2009 Jetta TDI to the U.S., and we’re anxious to hear what KickingTires readers think about it.

The news comes in conjunction with VW’s new promotion called The Dieselution Tour, aimed at informing American consumers about clean diesel … and, presumably, to put their butts in VWs. Currently, the only VW diesel on sale in the U.S. is the Touareg 2 V-10 TDI, at a cost of $68,320. Think no one would buy it? We saw one in our parking garage this morning. As for the Jetta, we haven’t gotten full specs on the 2009 TDI yet, but we’ll keep you posted.

By David Thomas | September 27, 2007 | Comments (26)
Tags: Jetta, Volkswagen

Comments 

LM

Will it be CARB-certified, and for sale in all 50-states? CA, MA, NY, RI, VT did not allow the old diesels to be sold, which did not help the diesel market, by eliminating almost 1/4 of America, including more-progressive places where high-MPG cars would sell particularly well.

Scott J.

I'm really glad to see VW finally come around and recognize one its key advantages and market segments.

Much like when Ford redesigned its Mustang, VW is adopting a product that enjoys a rabid following and will be able to win a new group of converts (in VWs case, on the merits of fuel economy rather than style and performance). Also like with the Mustang, VW will face ZERO competition for several years as competitors struggle to come up with their own diesel powertrains.

TDI

Now all VW needs to do is ADD EOS Diesel and I’ll trade my Golf TDI for that thanks VW’s

sorry I've been in training all day. Yes, the new Jetta TDI will be 50 state certified and will not need an external urea tank.

JM

it should get very good gas (well diesel) milage too.

Andrew

The TDI is the greatest thing on four wheels. I turned 200,000 miles this summer after having the car for seven years and it has been flawless.

Happymantis

Scott J, what are you talking about? Honda is going the diesel route too, and its already putting the finishing touches on its own diesel engine, and no doubt me and other Honda fans (or just normal people who just like quality and reliability) will be waiting to get our hands on those diesel hondas, starting 2009, with the Ridgeline...

Tom L

Amazing, GM is saying they have to use urea injection, but here is Volkswagen with a non-urea CARB certified solution.

Anyway, as a VW fan in training, I did not quite get wood when I read this, but it did give me a tinge.

Scott J.

Hey Happymantis. Others are working on CARB-compliant diesel (Honda, Nissan and GM among others), but VW will be first by at least a year -- pleanty of time to establish themselves as *the* green diesel automaker (assuming they play their TDI card aggressivly. And it seems like they are -- after years of minimal TDI promotion). They also have a leg up on ability to sell and service diesel vehicles. The ability to do both of those well is a tall order, especially for Honda -- who have a large dealer network (gottta train those techs) and whos buyers will expect quiet and flawless performance.

I do agree though that Honda should be keeping the VW's TDI folks up at night. They'll be going for the same customers, and Honda has a sterling reputation for quality. VW, not so much. Also, if there's any company that can come out with a great new engine right out of the gate and figure out how to market it effectively, it's Honda.

DodgeFan

This will help VW get to profitablity again. Unfortunately for VW, others such as Honda are finally getting in the game. I remember reading somewhere that VW's diseals made up over a quarter of they sales. No wonder they lost almost a billion dollars with them gone.

And don't forget VW (before diesels had to be taken off lots in 07) enjoyed a 2-1 sales rate of diesels compared to other automakers. So they have more of a built in diesel following than a Honda for example.

JM

the 06 jetta diesel is awesome. my sister gets over 40 mpg on the highway, and around 37 in mixed driving.

and thats without the new tech thats coming in the 08 that is supposed to boost milage even more.

Tad C.

Well so what that there are great diesel cars available in europe and all over the world? What good does it make if you can't buy them here? Some of the great cars I would buy right away are Mercedes Benz B200 CDI, BMW 123D the only problem is that either government or very influential people are blocking those cars from been sold here. Afraid of competition ? For example BMW 130i which will be sold here amits 197gram of CO2 per kilometer, The BMW123D model emits 138 gram CO2 per kilometer so lot less than the car which will be sold here. I guess we still are forced to buy gas guzzlers and very questionable and expensive hybrids...
What a shame that we can not buy real good economical cars here.

Robby

We bought a Jetta Diesel in 2000 (new) and we now have 240,000 miles on it. We still get 48 mpg and I would buy another in a heartbeat. We drive 70 to 80 on the highway too. I will be looking at the 2009's.... The key is to do the maintenance as they say but I have been amazed at how well it has held together.

CJ

So why has VW dropped the MPG of the TDI? I owned a 2000 Jetta TDI 5spd manual and the advertised MPG was 40/50 and that is what it got day in and day out - 40 in the city and 50 on the highway.

John B

http://www.createsurvey.com/c/63724-Y705o0/

Go to this link and Tell VW of America which TDI modles you want in 2008 or the future!

Drew M.

I want to buy a VW diesel Jetta when they come to market. I know the dealer will try to get at least $2,000 over sticker. In that case I will look at buying a 2009 diesel Honda Accord. I own a 2001 and a 2007 Honda now and have had very little troble with them. I have had dealer warranty issues with the new VW's I have bought over the past 10 or so years.

Red

Diesel fuel is already a dollar per gallon more expensive than unleaded regular. All you people won't be satisfied until it's two bucks higher, raising the cost of food and all the other consumer goods that depend on being trucked to market. Diesel cars should be outlawed in the U.S.

Jbizzle

yeah, honda is great if you like a cheap car with no options. side airbags on civic ex? nope. how much horsepower? less than 120? oh. jetta has far more safety options and boasts 170hp bone stock. those tuner boys would be working long hours to get a civic up to that with aftermarket stuff. death to honda.

Superduty

Outlaw Diesel's in the US? Are you as stupid as you sound? Not only do diesels get incredible mileage, they are now as clean as gassers (cleaner in some instances). They can also bring economic growth to our farmers via bio-diesel. Finally, when combined with hybrid technology, we can stop depending on Arab oil..
Think before you make such a stupid comment.

Red

Superduty, sorry to spoil your biodiesel dreams, but all the new so-called "clean diesel" cars will only allow five percent biodiesel to be mixed into their fuel, or you'll void the warranty. That will leave a fleet of stinking clattering jalopies running on today's diesel fuel, pushing the price of the fuel up higher for the truckers who really need and deserve to make a decent living, but are getting killed by the latest price increases. Adding tens of thousands of diesel cars to the road will only push the price of diesel fuel from $4 per gallon to $6 or $7, and then we'll have to read all entries on this blog by diesel car owners whining about the high cost of fuel. I will admit that there is some entertainment value in reading the forums about all the problems of diesel vehicles, including the crappy Ford superduty diesel trucks, but in the interest of helping the professionals who depend on diesel fuel for their livelihoods, the last thing we need in this country is a bunch of new diesel cars stinking up the highways and taking fuel that should be used by professionals only.

Red

By the way, the fuel I put in my vehicle costs a dollar less per gallon than the fuel you use - so who are you calling stupid?

Motely

Hey fellow dorks, relax. Calling someone stupid is fun and all when no one is going to see the other face to face, but it justs shows low intelligence on your own part. One of you pays more for gas, the other gets better mileage, so what.

Are far as diesel go, they still use oil to make diesel fuel as it is right now. There are some inroads being made in biodiesel and the like but it is not really prevalent just yet. There are a lot of economics that go into why diesels are really big in passenger cars, and it is not just the price of the fuel. There was a time a while ago when diesel was cheaper than gas, that would have been a great time to have a diesel.

The only problem I see with the issue of diesel fuel is whether the refinery capacity is there for diesel fuel if many cars take to it. I don't know what it would take to convert a refinery from gasoline to diesel, hopefully not much seeing as how it is hard to get a new refinery built nowadays.

Here is a great site that describes the pros and cons of diesels:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question399.htm

I would think that if diesel gets too high you would probably see trucks that are fueled by natural gas and other things. Sure there will be some economic upheavals before that happens but that might be what it takes for change.

Red

Motely, thanks for the link - that's good information. Natural gas for trucks would be a great idea, but I think it's hard to get enough on board for long hauls. I read an interesting item about how diesel fuel is refined and it said it takes 25 percent more crude oil to refine a gallon of diesel fuel than it does a gallon of gasoline, so I think the price of diesel will probably remain higher than gasoline for the foreseeable future. It's really hitting over the road truckers pretty hard - there have been quite a few stories on the Network newscasts on how the truckers are being squeezed by the $4 per gallon prices. Until we can ramp up vast quantites of biodiesel, and have car manufacturers who will accept it as a fuel, I believe diesel passenger cars should remain on the shelf, or they will just push diesel prices higher, and that hurts everyone by raising the price of everything transported by truck.

Motely

A couple of links for how diesel is made

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=200540

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/2174

Not sure if these are authorities, but they look pretty good. It is not really a matter of diesel taking more oil to produce, but how it is produced. It would seem to take more energy to produce. So maybe it would take some fuel for trucks, but there are all kinds of other ripples that happen. Those delivers that run on gasoline get cheaper, thus lower prices (yeah right but hopefully). I also do not believe that fuel prices are being controlled by the supply and demand models. Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but I totally believe that business is a monopoly. You can't have so many different companies charge the same for the same product without some form of collusion... but that would be long one. I do think that the increase in diesel cars would increase the marketability of bio-diesel so more R&D would go into that. It becomes a matter of which comes first the chicken or egg.

Kyle

Red, part of the reason diesel is so expensive is that a lot of it gets used to make gasoline in a process called cracking. So one might argue that taking a gasoline vehicle off the road leaves more diesel fuel for diesel vehicles, making the purchase of a diesel car a moot point. Prices of fuel will continue to rise until price outweighs demand, regardless of how many diesel vehicles there are. We as a country need to conserve more and look for other options to fuel our vehicles or even look for other modes of transportation.

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