2008 Ford F-450 and Full Super-Duty Lineup Debuts in Texas
Ford will unveil its first ever F-450 Super Duty pickup today at the Texas State Fair. Shown above, the F-450 is all new to the lineup; it was previously only used for commercial applications and can tow more than 24,000 pounds. Yeah, you read that right: 24,000 pounds. That’s a Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter jet, or the Hubble Telescope.
The F-450 is powered by a new 6.4-liter turbo-diesel engine that puts out 350 hp and 650 pounds-feet of torque. That’s 8 more pounds-feet of torque than the outgoing 6.0-liter diesel engine. There are also gasoline V-8 and V-10 engines available throughout the range.
There’s also a new interior, but at press time no interior photos were available.
Pricing and availability will be announced at a future date. The 2008s should arrive at dealerships in early 2007.







wow...it looks like the same f250...egh thats what we need, more short guys driving these huge things to compensate for their shortcomings...they should outlaw or just make these manageable to drive since i haven't met anyone that can...
Posted by: | Sep 27, 2006 11:42:50 PM
Hope high gas prices kill these monsters that now are even uglier after this redesign.
Are these needed? In Europe there is nothing like it even with diesel engines. Need I say more.....
Posted by: | Sep 28, 2006 2:27:26 AM
guys,
these aren't being bought by moms taking the kids to soccer practice.
They're generally used for heavy work or recreation towing like campers, boats or 24,000 pounds of sod to lay down a soccer field.
Posted by: Dave T. | Sep 28, 2006 8:22:25 AM
Am I missing something or are these trucks the same as '06 models from the firewall on back?
Posted by: Jer | Sep 28, 2006 9:25:43 AM
Ah, yeah they are bought by moms taking kids to soccer practice, swim practice, private school and everything in between. Why doesn't everyone just drive what they want to drive and shut up about what other people drive? I have driven an F350, 4 door, dual wheel, 4 wheel drive with manual transmission for eight years. I've never crashed it or anything else in or around my path. I can park, turn, back up, go through drive thrus and pull a trailer. Gas prices can go through the roof and I'll still drive it. Outlaw the trucks? That's good, more government involvment in our lives because without them how can I make decisions on my own? I need the government to tell me what to drive in this free country called USA. If London is so great, why aren't you there? You wouldn't have to put up with our gas guzzling kind, so you do need to say more. Get over yourself and if you're not doing some charity/volunteer work so that you're actually making a difference/contribution somewhere, get on it instead of just talking a good game. Get involved as there are MANY organizations that could use your time, talent and treasures which you have to share.
Posted by: Cathy | Sep 28, 2006 9:47:36 AM
Kathy, these are essentially commercial trucks. The fact that they can haul people as well, doesn't mean they are passenger vehcles. I don't think anybody is saying that they should be outlawed, but we do need greater regulation on these types of vehilces, if not for the fuel economy then for those of us who have to drive next to you as your trying to cross three lanes of traffic to get to Starbucks or McDonalds or where ever. How about a commercial drivers license endorsement for people that insist they need a small semi-tractor to drop the kids off at dance class?
Posted by: wade | Sep 28, 2006 11:08:59 AM
i understand owning a heavy dudy truck if you are a farmer or just live in the country but if you live in the city there is no reaason to own a heavy duty. the sad thing is there is more heavy duty trucks in the city than anywhere else. i use to live in phoenix az and the number one truck on the side of the freeway with the hoods up are ford f2 and 350s but i didn't see many chevy on the side of the road. a machanic that ford keeps him in business
Posted by: wolf | Sep 28, 2006 11:47:34 AM
"these aren't being bought by moms taking the kids to soccer practice.
They're generally used for heavy work or recreation towing like campers, boats or 24,000 pounds of sod to lay down a soccer field. "
I know this line of argument. But the point I made is that Europeans do these things too yet they get them done without these trucks. So some of the 'needs' seem exaggerated.
No need for government intervention directly. Just raise gas prices to levels that reflect the true cost of driving. That would be closer to European levels and you will soon see these heavy duty trucks selling in significantly lower volumes.
The same goes for full-size pickups. These are also considered 'essential' for farming, carpenters, construction workers etc. Yet again in Europe they get by without them.
They use more fuel and space efficient compact pickups and vans. Full-size pickups are about luxury not need.
Posted by: | Sep 28, 2006 12:26:32 PM
"Full size pick ups are about luxury not need"..In the city maybe. However I would like to see a how those folks in Europe haul a horse trailer loaded with 12 horses or livestock travel up and down the swiss alps like we do here in the rockies. Its about keeping the roads safe and efficient in that case. Do soccer moms need these? No. Does any business white collar guy/gal need these? No. Do they look ridiculous in them? Yes. However there has always been a blue collar breed of folks in the heartland of america that have relied on massive power for centuries. Now instead of taking many months, and the muscle of many horses or oxes,to move large numbers of cattle or produce across this great country we are able to do so in less time with less danger. Why would anybody be opposed to us doing it cleaner and quiter now as well? We need to be pushing the technological envelope in order to meet our needs and to find ways of protecting the future generations of children from our cancerous ways. For those of you who would like to discard all this technological gobbly gook, are you really ready to return to the stone age? Do you honestly believe mankind could survive today with out this monster called civilization? Get real. Very few folks could live that way and most city folks and folks in Europe would perish. Lets work towards a healthy realistic solution that incorporates ecology and economy. Laws do not make solutions they make prisoners. Education makes solutions and ensures freedom.
Posted by: | Sep 28, 2006 10:22:51 PM
Ford trucks have what it takes. The design ill admit, is differnt. But a truck that can turn on a dime, rides like a Lincoln, and can pull 12 TONS of anything.....well is amazing. Housing market drop? Ok so i guess that means the US isn't going to build anything else for next 10 years right? The only thing i want to see happen is a new technology of power source in these works of art, cause people thats what this is. Im excited!!
Posted by: | Sep 30, 2006 12:43:43 PM
I send my 16 year old daughter to highschool in my 2005 F-250 DIESEL. (No accidents no speeding)...I feel so safe...I just tell her that if she gets in an accident, she will probably kill somebody(that gets her foot of the pedal everytime)...Grow up guys....Bigger is better and safer....I am inline for the 2008 F450 dually....GOD BLESS THE USA
Posted by: Jose | Sep 30, 2006 3:44:39 PM
I've been driving my 2003 F 350 diesel 6.0 and love it. It does everything I need it to do and on the highway I get 24 mpg. A very huge number of midsize cars don't do that well and sure aren't as safe. It is a Super Duty Lariate and is a super way to travel. I push snow, pull trailers, and with my added Bully Dog system in mountain country, I have no problem with power.I worked all my life to enjoy my retirement and my truck is one of my enjoyments. This is America the land of the free. I was raised a wheat farmer and I enjoy good machinery and the wide open spaces. We all have our own thing and I hope everyone can enjoy their own thing in thier later years. And I might add, with God in your life, you will.
Posted by: Bill Miller | Oct 1, 2006 9:17:01 PM
I worked in the job market for 27 years .Retired three years ago. I always drove a toyota pickup and once for a short time i drove a isuzu pickup thinking i was saving money on gas . after I retired I bought me a red ford f350 dually .to my suprise it gets 21 miles a gallon. the toyota didnt get but 19 and the isuzu got 18 . well i guess you do learn with age.My big red dually f350 is a real truck more power than i ever had a lots better ride and it surly is a lots safer . the people that are kicking the big pickups have no idea of what they are talking about .maybe when they grow up they will develop a brain .It took me 27 years to learn . loving big red . mel
Posted by: mel brooks | Oct 21, 2006 8:08:15 PM
Get a life... buy what ever you want. Who cares?
Posted by: Brian | Oct 22, 2006 8:43:48 PM
Finally, someone with sense. If you do not like it do not buy it. The same people that are complaining at the start of this chain are the same people who have more envy than the person buying the truck. Again, if you do not like something, do not push your views on someone else. Some of you are the same people who are trying to get "UNDER GOD" and "GOD Bless America" removed from the American way of life. And for the arguement Europe not needing these, we won the war becuase of Horsepower.
Posted by: James | Oct 31, 2006 1:56:44 PM
Good comments both for and against this new F series. I have a 2003 F350 and I plan to trade it for the F450 you just saw. I make this decision knowing that desiel is going through the roof and that the country is getting more densly populated. With more and more people from europe, asia, russia, africa an south america imigrating to the good ole USA, it is understandable where people get their oppinions. I provided my country with 21 years of mine and my family's lives so that they could imigrate and have freedom of speech. As some of you, not all, scowl and curse at me while I drive down the city, rural, or country road in my big black montrous truck, I will laugh and smile as I wave at you knowing that people like me gave you the right to do that.
:-)
Posted by: Martin | Oct 31, 2006 6:05:58 PM
Thank you FoMoCo, I have been waiting for this truck for a long time. It looks awesome and I cant wait to drive one.
Posted by: Martin | Oct 31, 2006 6:09:01 PM
As I have already posted, I have a 2003 F-350 deisel w/a 6.0 and a complete Bully Dog on board that makes this truck absolutely awesome. You might ask why I want 700+ hp and almost 800 lbs of torque and the ability to do 0 to 60 in 5 seconds and have a top speed of 150+ mph. and 100 mph in a quarter mile. Well, part of it is just that I can and part of it is my mileage is about 24 mpg depending on how I drive. I don't do all these things in my truck and I drive like old folks drive but the fact that it is about the most powerful truck around here is a lot of fun just having such a vehicle. I do have a question though. Why doesn't Ford make something like the Bully Dog and offer it as an option instead of killing the warranty if you have one installed? As it is, you have to wait 3 years before you can install something like that. Any Ideas? Anybody?
Posted by: Bill Miller | Nov 6, 2006 8:09:07 PM
i m a landascaping i have a f 250 and im a short guy ( only in height ) eh eh , but this truck its exactly what we need it s big so u can put lot of staff in the back bed, its powerfull so i can hook my trailer and its diesel so u definately savew some bucks.. i m a italian stallion and in italy we said that : the small bottle have always the best wine ( my case ) but it not the new f450 case ,but i bet that wine in the truck he will get u so drunk just buyed and shut up!! i will n to culu
Posted by: giancarlo | Nov 13, 2006 10:47:07 AM
It doesn't get any better than a F-450 King Ranch Powerstroke turbodiesel 6.4 liter Lariat quad cab 4x4 dually. I live a King Ranch lifestyle, don't worry 'bout it. Thank god for F-O-R-D. First On Race Day, I'd rather push a Ford than drive a chevy, and dodge?? what is a dodge anyway? I'm a FORD kinda guy.
Posted by: King Ranch Crusher | Nov 24, 2006 1:42:57 AM
People who think such trucks as the F series are some how magically safer than other cars are stupid. If your car is built with masive gurders and reinforced contrete its moer likely to kill you. The reason being is that its the stop that does the most damage to people. If you stop intantly with no defromation you will die in anything over 25 mph. The fall of a tall building doesnt kill you its the sudden stop. If you think your safe because youve got a huge bonnet it just means theres more to crush you in a severe accident. And dont think you can get away by saying "it wont happen to me". 44,000 americans died last year in car smashs. And if you dont belive me look up pictures of the 2000 F-150 in crash tests!
Posted by: | Dec 2, 2006 3:43:18 AM
Does anyone know if the F450 will be available in SRW? Or just DRW?
Posted by: Tony | Dec 3, 2006 10:05:41 PM
Guys,
Remember the 30's, Deusenberg, Auburn, excessively heavy and excessively powered, very well appointed and expensive. This will be the most expensive truck out there. God Bless America...Jose
Posted by: Jose Figueroa | Dec 4, 2006 4:32:15 PM
i love to see the comments - for and against this truck. I am so glad that I live in a country where I'm free to read and say anything I want about a truck. I'm also glad that I live in the country where these f-450's are made so I can get mine faster. I am placing the order for one today. It's called progress, and in Oregon people buy big trucks to help them do work faster and safer. If you want to bash something, make it the Hummer2's, those are the real useless wastes of fuel and space.
Posted by: zak | Dec 8, 2006 2:17:38 PM
I would say that these trucks are essential to the economy of this country, given how popular they are with small businesses and stuff, but I would also say that too many people buy these trucks when they have no real use for them except for the infrequent towing job (anyone heard of truck rentals?)
Posted by: Happymantis | Dec 8, 2006 3:41:23 PM
You can bet your @#% I’m buying a F450 just as soon as they are available. Know why? Cause I want to use up as much natural resources as I possibly can. Know why? Cause it makes Democrats so darn mad. But seriously, I don’t spend ALL my time running over little white bunnies, and destroying the Ozone. Ford makes the best trucks in the world, and I just want the biggest and best. Plus the F450 is so heavy and comfortable…makes killing cute game all the easier.
Posted by: Casey McCasland | Dec 9, 2006 2:32:24 AM
I hope that the 6.4 is better than the 6.0 mine now is a 2006 with 25k miles and it has been in the garage 3 times isn't that a lemon law? blowing anti freeze egr tube out 3 times?
I still like ford but please get it right this time.
Posted by: carl c | Dec 20, 2006 9:53:30 PM
Sorry to hear about your 2006 problems. I hope ford gets them fixed for you ASAP. the lemon law usually requires three major failures of the same system before taking effect. Have you emailed ford? I keep seeing complaints of 6.0's but when I search the net I find several duramax or doege complaints for every one on the ford 6.0's and ford sells more trucks than all the rest combined. I was gonna buy a doge cummings this time but when my neighbor had to replace his tranny on his dodge cummings after only six months and his cab cracked I changed my mind. At least with a ford the body dosen't fall apart and it works.
thinkin of ordering an 08 6.4L
Posted by: Britt | Dec 21, 2006 9:43:15 AM
Nice! I am a contractor who builds and remodels houses. I am getting in line for this truck asap. I drive a 2003, f250 king ranch and love it. Any one in the service industry will be itching to get their hands on the new f450. Can't wait to see them on the freeway's, just remember stay out of their way if you see them in your rearview mirror!
Posted by: Jason | Dec 25, 2006 3:21:31 AM
This is the truck many of us have been waiting for. I hope Ford has conducted sufficient R&D and worked out all of the bugs. I am going to buy an 08 F450 that will replace my 04 F350 that Ford is buying back as a lemon. Notwithstanding valid concerns for the environment, for those who criticize big truck buyers, your interests probably don't require you to NEED a truck such as this. For those of us that do need such a truck, I am thankful that we live in American and we can have such a vehicle. If you don't like the truck, don't buy it. However, let those of us who need it or just want it enjoy it without criticizm.
Posted by: boomboom | Dec 25, 2006 9:06:12 AM
Well written, boomboom. People are quick to criticize buyers of big trucks, ignoring the fact that perhaps it will be used for utilitarian purposes.
Posted by: bowrider | Dec 25, 2006 10:58:58 AM
BUT IT WON'T! we are not THAT concerned with the environment, however, it is common knowledge that F250 and above do not have the driving ability or knowledge to handle such a crackerbox of a truck. Basically, Those drivers are just compensating for their shortcomings...sorry everyone hit a sore spot! :-)
Posted by: angry lopez | Dec 25, 2006 7:25:14 PM
Siple unless u have a need dont by the damn truck to drive around and think that your a bad ass cuz ur truck can haul 24,000 lbs when u have no idea how to drive it beacuse u got sick of your sports car and decided to get a truck to look cool i own a repo company and yes i do have a f450 used to repo 5th wheels and things of that nature
Posted by: Cameron landy | Jan 3, 2007 9:22:01 PM
just a few things. i am from texas and everybody its seems owns trucks. as far as the safety thing, there are plenty of smaller vehicles that are safer. as far as the everyday person owning a large truck, it does not make sense. for the mom who has the kids and pulls trls. i wonder how often you pull multi-ton trls. it seems if you pull a trl once or twice a month then get a half-ton truck. as far as the guy in retirement, i agree with the god thing, but dont you think he would be happier if your truck was cheaper to free up more money for him. and that brings us to money. lets see $600- $800 payments vs. $300-$400 payuments lets see... a difference between $300-$500 a month thats $3600 to $6000 a year and that people over 18 years is $64,000 -$108,000 assuming that you trade in every 5 or 6 yrs, whick most people do that buy these big trucks,whoa.. i forgot the interest...can you say new home can you say college education for kids...can you say retirement, can you say more for the church. i see people buying these trucks just to compete with other people, they will not admit this though. values are taught by the parents. managing money is important. not the status symbol. it took me awhile to realize this, im just glad i did before i bought one of these giants. and buy the way i do own a f-250 but its a 1975, it has some rust but i only paid 1800 for it and i do pull trls more than once a month, and although i cant pull a hill at 65 or 70 i am very happy to go along at 45 when the trl is heavy. and yes you can be safe doing that.one more thing, this is not saying that people dont need big trucks, i know some do, but cut down on the options, power this power that king ranch this next it will be put your name here for $$$ to have your own special badge on the truck. i think everyone gets my message. god bless have a great day
Posted by: t.d. | Jan 5, 2007 1:21:36 AM
If you need for it work Buy it. If you buy it to look cool, DON'T. There are a lot of small business owners out ther that need vehicles that will haul and tow a serious amounts of weight, believe me when you see a large pick up pulling 10,000-20,000# you will be thankful that the rig pulling it can handle the weight when it comes to stopping and handling. I do agree if you do not know how to handle such a vehicle you should either take a saftey course or dont drive it that includes SUV's (Soccer Mom's)
Posted by: Ken | Jan 8, 2007 10:39:03 PM
Wow! How ugly. I don't know how Ford stays alive continually bringing ugly things to life. Well...some of the Ford loyalists on here did say things like "bought me a Ford F250". Guess that sounds about right.
Posted by: pauly | Jan 8, 2007 11:33:09 PM
Sharp looking and capable. That's what these trucks are built for...capability. Most folks don't need to haul that heavy load or pull that large trailer. Stick with your little Jap small trucks or your minivans if you don't have the need...
Posted by: XPLSV | Jan 9, 2007 11:38:00 AM
Good lord... Buying a $50K+ truck to make up for shortcomings? Destroying the environment? Typical leftist comments. No one would really need a truck that can do the things these can.... right! Just go haul that big boat or camping trailer with a little half ton.
These folks get overly opinionated about a truck like this but they will gladly get in line for some Japanese hybrid that is $15K overpriced for the ultra nominal difference in how the car effects the environment. But alas, it's their right. Though not being an uneducated red neck or lacking in any masculine related respects I'd buy one of these. But I'd buy it for reasons that most of the Japanese buying hybrid crowd would never understand.
Everyone has a choice. But if you want to talk excess, go knock on the soccer mom bimbo types on their cell phone driving a Hummer or giant sized SUV in the name of having enough seats for all the kiddies. Like those women aren't trying to outdo each other in terms of status? Ha, they live for that. So they whine to their husbands about how the minivan isn't cutting it. And chances are if daddy even has a remote liking to having the wife stroke his ego (or anything else) in the future, they will be at a Hummer/Nav/Escalade/Denali dealer before the next soccer practice. Now compared to those types, why whine about a work truck?
Posted by: Steve | Jan 15, 2007 11:06:55 AM
i dont think a king ranch is all work and no play...its not a work truck, we are just saying that F150+ drivers are not intelligent enough to drive that vehicle. I don't drive a hybrid, don't plan to, but I do drive 17,000 miles a year and from experience I know that people without a cause should NOT drive these trucks.
Posted by: V lopez | Jan 15, 2007 2:19:28 PM
All these crackers driving around in their big trucks will be crying for big gumint welfare to save them after the price of fuel tops $5.00 a gallon. It is $8.00 a gallon in England.
Posted by: Economist | Jan 20, 2007 4:19:29 PM
Many of us driving large trucks, especially diesel models do so to earn a living. Contractors of all kinds find these large trucks do the job better and safer. My diesel gets 40 percent better mileage than I used to get with a gas truck. I save hunderds of dollars per year driving a large diesel truck. I can tow my big construction trailer much better and safer than I used with a smaller gas powered truck.
But what irritates me is the high price of diesel fuel. The trucking industry is subsidising the gas guzzlers across the nation.
Posted by: Jim Orcutt | Jan 22, 2007 8:38:10 AM
i live in yellowknife northwest territories canada .i run a electrical contracting buisness ,i have owned/driven nothing but fords and dodges all diesels since i've had my buisness,we haul goosenecks and fifth wheel vans , there is a 8'2" boss plow attached to my f450 now .our trucks travel to and from the diamond mines and all of the comunities arround the great slave lake via winter ice roads(ya we do drive on lakes here) if you don't have a big truck like the f-450 you don't work. mine is black and i call her brutis .i own a'04 dodge350,a '02 dodge250, a'01 f450(bucket truck) and this new f450.the point is this isn't europe,you don't need to drive your kids to soccer and you don't have to short #@*^% sindrome to owne a truck like the f 450 .
Posted by: bart | Jan 24, 2007 9:54:12 PM
I am so happy that you want to ban these trucks. Then I would have to get something smaller and make many more trips, hire more guys or, buy more trucks to hauly my 9500# trailer around the country filled with tools and material building the stores that all you people like to shop in. Maybe, we just stop building them too. How do you think the large amounts of tools and material arrive on the jobsite. The guy that built your home could just call for a tractor trailer to haul 2 bundles of shingles and a sheet of plywood. That should add a few thousand dollars to anything you need done. Don't presume that you know what I need or, the many tens of thousands of private construction contractors in this country need.
Posted by: AJ | Jan 25, 2007 5:13:39 AM
We've always said to anyone who will listen that these trucks fit a need like Bart and AJ obviously have and sometimes small business owners buy a few at a time when a new model comes out so they're pretty important to Ford's shrinking bottom line.
Posted by: Dave T. | Jan 25, 2007 9:17:45 AM
America is awesome!I own a 2007 F250 crew Powerstroke, which is my fifth Super Duty in 10 years , and my wife owns a 2006 Honda Accord.ONLY two vehicles in this family.I have three very large trailers that I pull on a regular basis ranging from my hobbies to my career.I use this truck every day and feel good doing so because it is reliable, strong, and great on fuel costs compared to any other brand of truck out there that can do it reliably.I am anxiously awaiting the release of the new twin turbo, not because I need another truck right now, but because I am a truck guy that loves trucks and new things.I am not here to destroy the environment but enjoy life while I am here!Thats what America is all about!If you can comment on what a large vehicle is doing to the environment, do your homework.If you think you need a large mortgage to buy one of these, add up your costs of all your small and mid size gas burning vehicles in your yard, and then calculate how well these trucks hold there value.I dont care what people need in Europe or Asia or Africa or wherever, this is America!Be proud of what we can do here with technology.ALSO, PLEASE REMEMBER OUR TROOPS DEFENDING THIS GREAT COUNTRY THAT ALLOWS US ALL TO HAVE FREE VOICE, they are not fighting over the size of a truck...
Posted by: AM | Jan 26, 2007 9:35:27 AM
Ya know...I think the posters who are raising issues of fuel consumption better check facts - a hybrid (take a Camry or 400h lexus) does not do much better than a F-350 and I expect this F-450 - on top of that you get better value. OH, where are we going to store all the old batteries?
In a city, sure, a hybrid has a chance of getting 15% better milage (say3-4 miles per gallon) - but on a highway its straight gas.
The only way you will ever ever see full low emissions is full electric with full nuclear - otherwise you are burning coal or nat gas to make the power (and "hide" pollution from Greenpeace).
Posted by: | Jan 29, 2007 2:30:15 PM
Why do people keep squawking about Europe? You could fit 10 or 12 of those little countries inside Texas with room to spare. Their fuel costs are high because their taxes are high.
Posted by: CDA | Jan 29, 2007 3:17:23 PM
you know, it seems that liberals will just find anything to complain about. If you dont like the truck dont buy it, and let the rest of those who do buy one. Plus those trucks get better mileage than you may think. 24 highway. Those stupid little hybrids get like 26! wow waht a difference. Get over your selves and find something else to cry about.
Posted by: Rib | Jan 30, 2007 4:07:40 PM
The '08 Ford F-450 sounds like its going to be a great truck. Chevy buyers are always putting down Ford, Well guess what Chevy, more variety and bigger and better trucks. FORD IS THE BEST IN TEXAS!!!!!
Posted by: Phil | Feb 2, 2007 3:16:14 PM
Im with you Phil. Chevy might have a slightly bigger engine, but the truck it self doesnt come anywere near to ford. their 3500s are so low that I could almost rest my chin on it. Im 5'10. Sorry chevy but if i wanted a truck that small i would just buy an f-150. Plus now they got this stupid allison transmisson that makes the truck sound like a hybrid. Ford has always been better. They say that fords brack down to much. Bull butter. I have a 2001 xlt ranger with 90,000 miles, and nothing has gone wrong with it. The only repair a made was when i got in a 50 mile per hour crash on chrome ave with by brother, and his friend in the bed. They walked away with out a bruise, and i drove the truck home, and for a week after. Lets face it ford will always be better than chevy. Got my eye on a 450 kingranch. God Bless!
Posted by: Rib | Feb 2, 2007 5:05:22 PM